Who is God?


November 15, 1992


Bhagavan called a Primary School student today, who wanted to show Swami something that he had written. Swami called another Higher Secondary School student and asked the small boy…

Swami: Who is this boy?

Student: Swami, we are all brothers.

Swami: Oh, is it? See, there are so many boys. Go with them. This boy is from Delhi. That boy is from Anantapur, and he is from Goa. Go with them.

Student: No, Swami, we are all Your children. I want to stay with You. Everything is in You. You are God.

Swami: Everything is in Me? You are also God. On a physical plane, you are Master, I am servant. On a mental plane, you are Real, I am Reflection. On the Atmic plane, You and I are one.

Student: Yes Swami, but we do not realise it.

Swami: How do you know that?

Student: Swami has said so. We must live our lives to realise this Truth.

Swami: What is life?

Student: Swami, life is a journey from ‘I’ to ‘WE’.

Swami: Life is a challenge; meet it. (Then Bhagavan and the boy alternately completed the saying)

Life is a game; play it.
Life is a dream; realise it.
Life is a challenge; meet it.

Pausing for a moment…


Swami:Who is God?

Student: Swami, You are God.

Swami: How do you know? Have you seen Rama or Krishna?

Student: Swami, I see Rama and Krishna in You.

Swami: Do you see them? Then tell Me, how does Rama look?

Student: Swami, He has curly hair, orange robe…

Swami: What about Krishna?

Student: Swami, Krishna also the same!

Swami: How can that be? See I have no flute like Krishna.

Student: But Swami is both Rama and Krishna to me. Swami is everything!

Swami then looked down at the book that the boy wanted to show to Swami and asked him,

Swami: What is this book? (Then Swami showed it to the other boys and said,)  See, how well he writes! (To the student) What is this? (Swami showed the boys the drawing and said) See, he has drawn Swami as ‘Sesha Shayana’ (reclining on the serpent Adi Sesha)! Do you know what this snake is called?

Student: Swami – Adi Sesha.

Swami: Yes! See, it is depicted with six open and four bent hoods. The six hoods signify the 'Arshadvargas’ – the six vices in man – Kama, Krodha, Lobha, Moha, Mada, and Maatsarya. When these bend and surrender to God, God resides in their hearts. What are the ten heads of Ravana? They are not actually real heads. They are the six Shastras and the four Vedas, which Ravana had mastered. These are depicted as the ten heads.

Student: Swami is so compassionate that He forgives any number of our sins. Then why was Shishupala killed instead of being forgiven?


Swami: That is different. Shishupala and Dantavakra, Hiranyakashyap and Hiranyaaksha, Kamsa – these are all ‘special’ cases. Their actions were like that.

Student: Swami, but You have said that God is the doer and we are all His Instruments. Then what is fate and law of action?

Swami: That is what is called ‘Purusha-Prayatna’ – self-effort, though God is the cause, one must make his own effort also in order to achieve something. You may be given a plate of potato-chapati. But if you simply keep it in front of you and chant its name, you get nothing. Use your hands and mouth. Then alone you get the benefit.

Student: Swami, You have said that one must avoid bad company. But, in this world, who are we to judge what is good and what is bad? How can we then avoid ‘bad’ company?

Swami: You must not judge. You must keep in life as little connections as possible, with others. Whenever you hear unnecessary and too much talk or something wrong being done, you must leave that place and company at once. Your relations with everyone must be limited to ‘hello-hello’, ‘goodbye-goodbye’. Lesser the  connections, the better it is. ‘Less luggage, more comfort’. God is the only One with whom you should have connections.

Swami then looked at the boy and asked,

Swami: What is devotion?

Student: Swami, devotion is complete surrender.

Swami: What is surrender?

Student: Swami, surrender is to know that whatever Swami is doing is for our own good only. We must hence implicitly do whatever Swami tells us to do.

Swami: Then go to Bombay. Swami is telling. Go.

Student: Swami, when everything is in You, Bombay also is in You. So, I will stay with You!

Swami: See, I am so small! How can everything be in Me? See My hands – so small !
The boy caught Swami’s hands and said...

Student: Swami, these are everything! You can show the Vishvaroopa (cosmic form).

Swami: What is Vishvaroopa?

Student: Swami, it is the form that encompasses everything. It cannot be measured by anything.

Swami: (to other students) Listen to him. Learn from him!

Swami went to give Darshan. A few minutes later, Swami again came there and the boy caught Swami’s hands…

Student: Swami, please give me an interview.

Swami: Interview? This was all interview only. What do you want?

Student: Swami I want You only. I want to stay with You.

Swami: But what about studies…?

Student: Swami, You are everything. When I have You, I will have studies also.

Swami: Do you want Swami or studies?

Student: Swami, I want You! Everything is in You!

Then Swami mentioned several things to the boy – parents, Bombay, studies, friends etc. But the student’s reply was just.. “No, Swami! I want to be with You Swami. Keep me with You!”

Swami stopped speaking and looked deep into the boy’s eyes. He then slowly shook His Head and in a vibrant, deep awesome voice, said, “It is not so easy, sir. It is not so easy!”.


22 comments:

  1. osr,

    may we all be blessed; when the students are sharing their divine and blissful moments ( seconds, minutes, hours, days, months and years ) with GOD, i wish i was one among them.... but what to do, i think i will miss nothing ....
    we will have to live in his omnipresence and take advantage of the sharings from the students....
    adiraj

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  2. to read all these experiences with Swami students is a moment of joy and teaching for all of us. Thank you all, and thanks to Swami.

    PS:I would suggest near to the sanskrit words, to put on the meanig in english.

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  3. Sairam, this conversation was a real eye opener for me, I was searching answers for few questions, now through this conversation I got the answers, thanks to all.
    Rupesh, Chennai.

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  4. ...Indeed students are His Property...if at all we follow whatever our little bro said to Swamy....that's why Swamy's conclusion was"it's not easy sir...it's not easy...'Lord pl Bless to b ur instrument's'...

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  5. No words to express how moved I am by this conversation. Just beautiful!

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  6. Much is expected from them for whom Swami has given HIS Life time.. Let us be HIS worthy instruments in the Divine Mission!

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  7. students are soooo lucky, i feel jealous but still i am lucky to read their experiences and swamy's teachings... sairam
    we are benefitted by these writings and thanks to all and swamy is blessing us in this way.. sairam

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  8. Students are lucky that they are teaching lesson from direct God Swami.

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  9. The last sentence says everything. It is not so easy to reach God. Swami says we are god. "I am God' need not be said, because our very nature is cosmic. Swami is Ardhanarishwar. He is the highest of all the Gods, demi-Gods and any form we can imagine. We dont live in a universe. We live in a Multiverse with infinite number of forms of God. Swami is one such form. You are one form and I am one form. But what differentiates us is the spiritual elevation. Swami is Spiritually the most evolved and elevated being. So when we realize that we are god, how can you say that someone is lucky and someone is not. In this creation every being is lucky because we are a part of that cosmic evolution process. We are the spark of the Divine. Swami always calls people Embodiments of Love and he has never called us Embodiments of feelings or thoughts or emotions or anything that is temporary that can be imagined. We are embodiments of truth, love and peace which are permanent. That is the very natural state. We are living to realize that. I am not shedding what I know, but I wanted to share my thoughts. Coming back to the Last sentence, to attain the very nature of Swami is not easy, but it is achievable. God takes the form of least spiritually elevated being and evolves to become God himself, the spiritually highest. So we form a part of the process. The easiest way for us to achieve this was by asking Swami, himself, directly. But he might give it to a very few and say No to everyone else. We do not know. It depends on our craving, devotion, detachment level and sincerity. But now he is no more in the physical form. We have lost the chance to ask him directly. When Lord Shiva with all his energy(Shakti) gave thousands of darshans, walked amongst us, we could not ask for the most important goal of our lives. The very purpose of existence is to attain the boon, Permanent liberation. We could not ask him. Thousands of Rishis and Munis are under penance for years without food and water only for this boon, waiting for The Lord to bless them. We could see him everyday, every evening. The only thing left to do for us is to crave and crave more for the boon. It is a desire, nevertheless, the most sacred of all desires, a desire a person ought to have. That is why Swami used to say that we do not know what to ask him, what we want. I am sure he was referring to the boon. That is what, I feel, he meant by it is not easy.

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  10. The last sentence says everything. It is not so easy to reach God. Swami says we are god. "I am God' need not be said, because our very nature is cosmic. Swami is Ardhanarishwar. He is the highest of all the Gods, demi-Gods and any form we can imagine. We dont live in a universe. We live in a Multiverse with infinite number of forms of God. Swami is one such form. You are one form and I am one form. But what differentiates us is the spiritual elevation. Swami is Spiritually the most evolved and elevated being. So when we realize that we are god, how can you say that someone is lucky and someone is not. In this creation every being is lucky because we are a part of that cosmic evolution process. We are the spark of the Divine. Swami always calls people Embodiments of Love and he has never called us Embodiments of feelings or thoughts or emotions or anything that is temporary that can be imagined. We are embodiments of truth, love and peace which are permanent. That is the very natural state. We are living to realize that. I am not shedding what I know, but I wanted to share my thoughts. Coming back to the Last sentence, to attain the very nature of Swami is not easy, but it is achievable. God takes the form of least spiritually elevated being and evolves to become God himself, the spiritually highest. So we form a part of the process. The easiest way for us to achieve this was by asking Swami, himself, directly. But he might give it to a very few and say No to everyone else. We do not know. It depends on our craving, devotion, detachment level and sincerity. But now he is no more in the physical form. We have lost the chance to ask him directly. When Lord Shiva with all his energy(Shakti) gave thousands of darshans, walked amongst us, we could not ask for the most important goal of our lives. The very purpose of existence is to attain the boon, Permanent liberation. We could not ask him. Thousands of Rishis and Munis are under penance for years without food and water only for this boon, waiting for The Lord to bless them. We could see him everyday, every evening. The only thing left to do for us is to crave and crave more for the boon. It is a desire, nevertheless, the most sacred of all desires, a desire a person ought to have. That is why Swami used to say that we do not know what to ask him, what we want. I am sure he was referring to the boon. That is what, I feel, he meant by it is not easy.

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  11. i am indeed blessed to read this conversation between god and his child... swami in his previous avatar(shirdi sai baba), once asked his one of his follower or devotee u say, that who are you?? the devotee told that swami we are disciples.. swami was then so enraged and shouted him, never call urself as disciples, disciples are the one who follow their guru like a shadow...in thsi avatar too swami has told (though he is preamaswarupa) "ITS NOT SO EASY.....SIR".. sairam

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  12. Blessed are those who got a chance to read this. Elevated are those who are able to accept , follow and mingle with "HIM"

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  13. Om Sai Ram
    Blessed are we to listen to the story of the Angels with Swami.
    It brings joy, tears, knowledge, humility and Faith
    OM SAI RAM

    Sai Dav

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  14. This boy must have been a great Rishi in previous life ... how very inspiring. Thank you

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  15. I hope i'd had an experience like that too. Amazing!

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  16. I started casually reading this topic but as I went through it, I was thrilled between conversation between a small boy and our Bhagawan and how much HE loves HIS creations....and the way though being GOD and at the same time fully a human being.....Saaiyeee

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  17. Beautiful conversation between Swami and his student. Thanks a billion to the students for sharing their wonderful moments with Swami,on reading them we feel so close to Swami.

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  18. Beautiful conversation between Swami and his student. Thanks a billion to the students for sharing their wonderful moments with Swami,on reading them we feel so close to Swami.

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